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Welcome to Love to See It with Emma and Claire, a podcast about bro tears and bromance. This week on The Bachelorette, it was Men Tell All time, and we were blessed with lots of both. Plus, some aggressive confrontations, a surprise French kiss, and a gut-wrenching, unexpected departure. Joining us is actor and Bachelor parody recapper Kelly Johns. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to Love to See It with Emma and Claire, a podcast where we dive deep into the world of modern art and floral vulvas. Or as burgeoning painter and art critic Blake Moynes would say, “flowery… with a twist!” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to Love to See It with Emma and Claire, a podcast about throwing shade and BLEEPing off. We’re delving deep into the taboo and the edgy, as we get into the later stages of Katie Thurston’s journey to find love. We’re joined by Aubrey Gordon, cohost of the wellness podcast Maintenance Phase and the author of What We Don’t Talk About When We Talk About Fat. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We’re back for part two of the sexiest, most prudish, show on TV: Too Hot To Handle!  Kristen Meinzer — host of Movie Therapy and By The Book — is joining us for this very important episode. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to Love to See It, where we go to the bashball field and beyond to find the perfect strains of masculinity to accompany your commute. Yes, this week was bursting with rippling, muscular aggression — but also, to be fair, some refreshingly non-toxic notes of manhood as well. We’re talking cuddling. We’re talking emotional vulnerability. We’re talking tears shared in brotherhood.  And that’s just the beginning! We’re going to discuss all the masculine courting behaviors on display and more with our guests, Victoria Price and Mikayla Bartholomew of The Blckchelorettes podcast! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We’re talking about our favorite super sexy, super prudish, super anti-hot-vax-summer Netflix reality show, Too Hot to Handle! Season 2 has finally dropped, and today we’re sinking our teeth into the juicy first four episodes. Joining us like a hyena sharing some of the lion’s meat (as Cam would say), is Daryn Carp, host of PeopleTV’s Reality Check, Scissoring Isn’t A Thing and Shaken And Disturbed. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to Love to See It with Emma and Claire, a true crime podcast about a man with a dark secret… a man who was open to the possibility of one day becoming Bachelor. The darkest, dirtiest deed imaginable. This week, the investigation of Thomas’s crimes culminates in a dramatic show trial.  This whole episode is one group date and a rose ceremony nested amid hours of angst over Thomas and a suitor’s return. Even if it felt like a lot of filler, that didn’t stop us from having over 12 pages of notes to discuss between just the two of us! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When in the course of Bachelor events it becomes necessary for a former Bachelorette to dissolve the bonds that tie her to the franchise and write a piercing, heart-wrenching essay about the racism she experienced during her time being affiliated with the show... we must talk about it, with help from HuffPost's senior national editor Erin Evans. Read Rachel Lindsay's full piece here: https://www.vulture.com/article/rachel-lindsay-the-bachelor-franchise.html See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Trigger warning: In this episode, we talk about sexual assault in the context of Katie’s discussion of it in this week’s episode of The Bachelorette. This discussion starts around 40:00. If you or someone you know have been affected by sexual assault, you are not alone. RAINN’s National Sexual Assault Hotline is here 24/7 with free, anonymous help. Call 800-656-HOPE or visit online.rainn.org. Welcome to Love to See It with Emma and Claire, a podcast about labor organizing in the entertainment industry. It’s so difficult to unionize the Bachelorette contestants because of high turnover and the fact that they aren’t technically employees, but solidarity finds a way. Last night, not for the first time and hopefully not for the last, the show’s contestants tried to come together as one unit to meet management at the bargaining table. It was a beautiful moment for unions, but also a brief one. Today we will chart the rise and fall of this Bachelorette union, which quickly fell apart once the men were made aware that they couldn’t negotiate to each have a full Katie.  We’re joined today by Bachelor alum, blogger, and opera singer Sharleen Joynt and her husband and cohost of their fantastic podcast, Dear Shandy, Andy Levine!  You can listen to Dear Shandy here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dear-shandy/id1525795747 Learn more about the Santa Ana Pueblo and their lands here: https://nativeamerica.travel/tribes/pueblo-of-santa-ana and https://santaana-nsn.gov/about/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to Love to See It with Emma and Claire, a podcast about Western-themed erotic cinema. This week, we’re examining a modern classic: season 17, episode 2 of The Bachelorette. Katie’s search for a lover begins in earnest this week, and she’s ready to lasso herself a muddy cowboy with purple fluffy handcuffs. This episode was very sex-positive, very cowboy-positive, and of course, very dramatic. To dig through this week’s recap with us, we’re joined by longtime friend of the pod, Bachelorette alum and attorney Michael Garofola. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It’s that time of year. 82% humidity in the 90-degree air, hordes of shrieking cicadas roaming the Eastern Seaboard, the dawning realization that you waited too long to reinstall your window AC unit — and, of course, the return of The Bachelorette. Now with 100% less Chris Harrison and 100% more forced references to sex toys! That’s right, Katie Thurston’s season premiere, baby. We’re here to dig into it with our wonderful guest, Molly Bernard! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After over half a decade podcasting about The Bachelor as Here to Make Friends, we have a new home and a new name! We’re extremely happy to be here at Stitcher, and to be launching Love to See It, a weekly podcast about The Bachelor and beyond. You may be wondering, what is this show going to be? We hope it will be a space for the same kind of free flowing commentary, snark and analysis about The Bachelor that we’ve always done, a space where we can chat with our favorite comedians, podcasters, critics, and Bachelor alums about all the minutiae of each episode. And to kick it off, we introduce you to the cast of Katie’s season! We’d love to hear from you about what you’d like to hear more of on the show! You can reach us at claireandemmapod@gmail.com. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We’re going to begin this week’s podcast with a discussion on Taylor Nolan’s old tweets that resurfaced over the weekend and what accountability, consequence and empathy look like within the community of The Bachelor franchise. The tweets, which included hateful language toward a plethora of communities, were shocking, harmful, hurtful, triggering and absolutely indefensible.  Later in the episode, we discuss the Women Tell All special with style icon and contestant on this season of The Bachelor, Chelsea Vaughn. Our Calls to Action this week: - Stop AAPI Hate, an organization which includes a hate crime tracker, founded in the wake of rising and alarming violence toward Asian Americans during the COVID-19 pandemic https://donate.givedirect.org/?cid=14711  - The Asian American Federation, which specifically helps fight racism and for equality for NYC’s Asian community https://www.classy.org/give/253719/#!/donation/checkout  - Center for Disability Rights, a not-for-profit, community-based advocacy and service organization for people with all types of disabilities. https://cdrnys.org/donate/  - The Disability Justice Culture Club, a collective of disabled and/or neurodivergent queer people of color operating out of East Oakland. https://bit.ly/3hONYqp  - The Trevor Project, which provides resources, support and a crisis hotline for LGBTQ+ youth. https://give.thetrevorproject.org/give/63307/#!/donation/checkout?c_src=EOY20&c_src2=headerdonatebutton  - The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, a non-profit, all volunteer, fat-rights organization dedicated to protecting the rights and improving the quality of life for fat people. https://naafa.org/joindonate  - Jews For Racial and Economic Justice, a NYC-based progressive Jewish organization that fights against anti-Semitism alongside other marginalized communities. https://secure.everyaction.com/MItl2aYLe0-_DmwDEiGULA2  - The Auschwitz-Birkenau memorial and museum, http://auschwitz.org/en/donate/  - The Native American Rights Fund, which provides legal assistance to Indian tribes, organizations, and individuals nationwide who might otherwise have gone without adequate representation. https://secure.narf.org/page/71129/donate/1?_ga=2.154578488.1462526717.1614619917-1113695369.1614619917    See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

**SPOILERS ALERT** We will be discussing reporting that includes spoilers. Please be warned. Skip forward to approximately 16:00 to get to the spoiler-free recap. Joining us to discuss our reporting on Matt James’ statement from last night is HuffPost Senior Enterprise Editor Erin Evans. Read our piece: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/matt-james-the-bachelor-race-problem_n_60342be7c5b67c32961fef84?7jk  It’s hometowns week on The Bachelor, and you know what they say: home is in Nemacolin, where you all live forever now.  And so do your families! It’s like Noah’s ark -- each woman gets to save 2-3 loved ones from the pandemic. Just like Tayshia, Matt doesn’t get to actually travel to his ladies’ hometowns, but he does get to meet some parents this week. Here to discuss all the moms and all the sisters, we’re joined by Caroline Moss, host of the podcast Gee Thanks, Just Bought It!   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It’s been a hell of a week, and before we recap the episode, we need to discuss what’s been going on offscreen.  For that discussion and our normal episode recap, we’re joined by the amazing comedian, author, podcaster, producer Phoebe Robinson and her wonderful boyfriend, British Baekoff. You can read our coverage of Chris Harrison, his remarks and the push to hold the franchise accountable here:  - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-harrison-interview-the-bachelor-rachael-kirkconnell_n_602437e6c5b6ddb3581568ab - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bachelor-chris-harrison-racial-reckoning_n_602aaee2c5b6d667582eb47e   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to Here to Make Friends, where we preach harmony and peace, and lead by example, because actions speak louder than words. All the great lessons we learned from The Bachelor. We’re halfway into Matt’s season and there is actually a distinct lack of harmony and peace. The drama has never been more intense. When will we be able to rest? Possibly never. To recap another week of escalating, production-fueled sniping between the contestants, and Matt’s occasional breaks from mediating the conflict in order to make out with 23-year-olds, we’re joined by expert Bachelor recapper and “Last Week Tonight with John Oliver” writer Ali Barthwell.    See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week’s episode of The Bachelor may find a second life as a training video for teachers to recognize bullying dynamics in middle and high schools. Matt’s love journey was essentially on the backburner this week while he played Whack-a-Mole with the house bullies, so that’s what we’ll be doing as well.  Here to unpack all the truly distressing scenes with us is content creator, YouTuber and woman about town, Alexa Losey. Link to the TikTok we reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/l5qjs0/tiktok_about_rachaels_alleged_racism/   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week on Matt James’s journey to find love, we took one step forward and two giant steps back. We actually ended this episode with, somehow, more women than we started with -- and they even managed to jack up the already high level of unpleasantness in the house. Matt’s task is truly Sisyphean … as is our own, as audience members in search of a happy ending. So on this episode we have a new friend of the pod joining us, Zara Rahim. She is a communications strategist who has formidable experience approaching her work through the lens of diversity, equity and inclusion. She’s worked for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Vogue, the list goes on. Our call to action: In light of all of the sex work shaming that went on during last night's episode, we want to encourage people to donate to the the Urban Justice Center Sex Workers Project to support advocacy for the human rights of sex workers. Because sex work is work. Period.   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week, much like Chris Harrison and Matt’s women, we tried out our own Bachelor-centric erotica, full of turtleneck-clad abs and girthy arms. And then, of course, we couldn’t avoid addressing the girl-on-girl crimes that filled this episode of The Bachelor. Joining us this week is Correspondent & Host of the VICE News Reports podcast, Arielle Duhaime-Ross. Our call to action this week: In honor of MLK Day, it’s a great week to set up a recurring donation to an organization that promotes racial justice and healing! Some ideas include:  - Color of Change - Black Lives Matter (their PAC or local chapter) - Undocu Black - Black Trans Travel Fund - The Loveland Foundation   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.