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This is the first episode where the child of our mom-guest is present for the conversation! And we made an exception because they are a package deal! Ruth and Madisen make up the Americana Folk band called Madisen Ward and the Mama Bear. In this episode you’ll hear about the genesis of Ruth’s love for music and storytelling, and we’ll give you a hint: it ends with a dinner with Janis Ian! Check out their forthcoming podcast The Mad Mama Half Happy Hour! And of course their musical albums: “Skeleton Crew” and “Started With a Family.” Follow them @madisenwardmb Hope you enjoy our four-way conversation as much as we did!