60 minutes | Jan 4, 2022

Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy with Dr. Eric Sienknecht

Hi! and Happy New Year! Go 2022! Today I share my conversation with Dr. Eric Sienknecht, psychologist and founder of the Polaris Insight Center, a Ketamine-assisted psychotherapy clinic in San Francisco. We talk about a wide variety of topics in this episode, including:

* Developing an individual identity while being an identical twin

* Healing through experiencing non-ordinary states of consciousness

* Psychedelic therapy, including Ketamine-assisted therapy

* Growing up in Tennessee and attending an all-boys Christian high school

* Experiences with bullying by peers and teachers

* Mystical experiences

* Detaching from your emotions

* Holding space and self-care through mindfulness and listening to music

If you listened to the clip attached to this e-mail, you’ll know that we talk about how our experiences are governed by the information coming through our bodies . But what about what happens when the body is taken “offline” and when those senses are numbed? What is left?

I had a particularly notable experience where it felt like my body was taken offline right after Thanksgiving — when Jonathan proposed. The moment felt almost out of body in the sense that I no longer was “in control” of my emotions. Tears, laughter, and pure joy flooded through my body, almost creating a vibrating sensation, as if the emotional energy inside of me couldn’t stop moving. But I didn’t feel it just inside of me, I felt it surrounding me, as if my environment disappeared, as if the boundary between my body and my environment did not exist. I had tunnel vision, I heard no sounds other than the sounds directly in front of me, the rest of the beach we stood on disappeared. My emotional experience in that moment felt detached from my body, but also so in my body at the same time. How was this possible? Perhaps what I experienced was not just emotional, but spiritual as well. There was a connection between myself and the larger collective whole of the planet that I am a part of, not separate from.

After that day, I began to use my meditation practice to bring myself back into that moment. The feelings flooded back to me and I the vibrating all over again. I felt my body go “offline” all over again, and felt connected to whatever is spirit or that something larger all over again. These intensely emotional experiences are rare, and also uniquely human. The fact that we can re-experience them through reflection and meditation is even more uniquely human.

Links to this episode:

* Apple Podcasts

* Spotify

Inspired by this episode, I invite you to reflect on three questions:

* When in your life have you experienced your body going “offline” while still remaining conscious?

* Think back to a particularly emotionally-charged moment . What did your body feel like?

* How can you stay present in the most emotional of moments such that you can process and re-experience them after the fact through reflection or meditation?

And, some links I’ve recently found useful, inspiring, and are related to my episode with Eric:

* Polaris Insight Center - this is Eric’s Ketamine-assisted psychotherapy clinic

* Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - I highly recommend signing up for their newsletter.

* Johns Hopkins Center for Psychedelic & Consciousness Research - If you are curious about recent research on therapeutic uses for psychedelics.

* Dr. Ralph Hood Jr., a psychologist who studied non-ordinary states of consciousness and developed the scale to measure mystical experiences

* Pahnke's "Good Friday" experiment wiki and thesis

* California Institute of Integral Studies - This is where Eric went to graduate school. CIIS is a leader in training therapists to use psychedelics in their work.

* Grof Legacy Project - I recently took a course called Sacred Medicine and the Psyche through Pacifica Graduate Institute. The professor, Jay Dufrechou, is very involved in this project, which is devoted to promoting the teachings of Stan Grof.

* Philip Wolfson and Julane Andries Ketamine Training Center - These two researchers and practitioners are pioneers in the space.

* Aldous Huxley's The Doors of Perception - Huxley was totally ahead of his time. This book is an autobiographical account of Huxley’s experience under the influence of Mescaline.

* Eli Kolp and Evgeny Krupitsky's study regarding treating addiction with Ketamine-assisted therapy

* Ketamine Papers by Phil Wolfs and Glen Hartelius

* The Microdose newsletter from the UC Berkeley Center for the Science of Psychedelics - HIGHLY recommend signing up.

My last ask is if you enjoy reading my emails and/or listening to my podcast, could forward this newsletter to a few people who you think may enjoy it too?

Thank you all for reading, and hopefully listening!



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