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This week, Vanessa and Casper explore the theme of Heartbreak in Chapter 20 of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix! They discuss Hagrid’s mother, the new Gurg, and the healing powers of dragon meat. Throughout the episode we consider the question: how do we carry on after a heartbreak?

Thank you to Therisa for this week’s voicemail! Next week we're reading Chapter 21, The Eye of the Snake, through the theme of Care with Matt.

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