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Tuck speaks with artist, filmmaker, and cultural producer Zackary Drucker (she/her). Topics include:

• How a trans con artist taught Zackary to cut herself some slack 
• Telling complicated trans stories on TV
• Creating T4T representation before “T4T” was a thing
• Gender clownery with Flawless Sabrina 
• Plus: Commissioning a transphobia montage featuring Tucker Carlson’s shitty dad

This Week in Gender: New York finally repeals its Walking While Trans law. 

The Lady and the Dale is streaming now on HBOMax. 

Zackary is on Instagram @zackarydrucker. We’re also on Twitter and Instagram @gendereveal. 

Find transcripts of the show at genderpodcast.com.

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